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pitcherday — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:53:25 GMT

vivasuzi said…

baby486... She'll probably enjoy taking care of the 14 kids very much due to all the free help she's getting :(

Luckily for the kids, she will probably get enough viewers and make enough money to support them. Sadly though, this will only encourage people to repeat the behavior :(

We were saying the other day.... it's harder for someone to adopt a cat then it is for them to have a baby! The Humane Society will actually tell you your house isn't good enough for a cat or dog, but no one can tell a person they aren't good enough/stable enough to pop out a baby. Crazy how that works!

You are right about the Humane Society rejecting homes! My friend adopted a little girl, and you should have seen the mega-binder she had to compile about how great her family was and have all of these home-studies done.

I looked at it and was like: "You guys rock-climb and repair small engines as a hobby?" She was like: "No, we just took some pictures and wrote a summary. You really need to seem well-rounded to get a child."

That's too much. Some people have to qualify as parents, while others can hiccup wrong and get pregnant with their 5th or 6th kid. Too much.

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lilsquibb — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 03:10:55 GMT

Fardreamer said…

Or they'll keep having babies because they are too dumb to not have them anymore. Believe it or not, some people are like that!

I think this may be closer to the truth. Although there are those who game the system by having more some just don't realiaze how "it" happens. Even after the 6th one comes.

I know several people who would fall in the living on assistance with too many kids category... heck that's what I do for a living is help provide that assstance. We had a family with 6 already, the advocate took her to get an IUD put in and several months later she was talking about the possibility of being pregnant (wasn't but thought she was)... get the man snipped or something cause you aren't making it the way you are.

Other times circumstances happen... but in this octo case... I believe she's just nuts. She's much more worried about her fame and fortune than the well-being of those children and we're only feeding the fire.

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vivasuzi — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:23:37 GMT

baby486... She'll probably enjoy taking care of the 14 kids very much due to all the free help she's getting :(

Luckily for the kids, she will probably get enough viewers and make enough money to support them. Sadly though, this will only encourage people to repeat the behavior :(

We were saying the other day.... it's harder for someone to adopt a cat then it is for them to have a baby! The Humane Society will actually tell you your house isn't good enough for a cat or dog, but no one can tell a person they aren't good enough/stable enough to pop out a baby. Crazy how that works!

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baby486 — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:16:28 GMT

i agreee with ya lol

My belief is that this woman is in some way mentally impaired. No woman in her right mind (with or without husband, but especially without) with six children under the age of 7 would seriously consider having another child, much less eight more. So she enjoys being pregnant... let's see how much she enjoys taking care of 14 children under the age of 7. Not to put too fine a point on it, she's extremely selfish, only thinking of what she wants, but not of the consequences of her behavior. Of course, she's going to expect the taxpayers to foot the bill for her brood, because there's no way she can work to support all of those children.

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Fardreamer — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:16:43 GMT

Or they'll keep having babies because they are too dumb to not have them anymore. Believe it or not, some people are like that!

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vivasuzi — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:10:05 GMT

Cranking out kids isn't just something people do for TV shows! I know people who crank out kids for government benefits... and it sickens me. They know that the government won't let a child starve, so they crank out another and then go apply for more "free stuff". I try to avoid associating with these people as much as I can, because what they do just makes me feel so sorry for their poor helpless kids!

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Jo — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:38:40 GMT

The really only thing we can do is not watch the shows and write to the sponsors which you said is how Laura's program got cancelled.

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pitcherday — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:53:00 GMT

The Dr. Laura thing is way old news, like yr 2000. She still has a popular show on AM radio.

See, in your Diversity Day, people who do what most see as bad are not included.

Most people do see what Nadya Suleman does/is doing as bad and she gets encouraged and rewarded for it. Even though people think it's horrible and if it happens again with someone else, we'll all be up in arms over it again. TLC is already casting for women pregnant with multiples for yet another show. I have never watched Jon and Kate, or 18 kids and counting, or any other parenting show. i don't have kids. It doesn't interest me. They interviewed Kate's sister. Jon and Kate got twins on their very first try of IVF. That's rare. i don't know what their relationship is like, so this could just be specious, but she said Kate wanted to implant more embryos to see if she could "get stuff."

Even if she didn't say it, that is what happens. It seems like you get your "15 minutes of fame" by carrying huge multiple loads of kids. The McCaughey septuplets in 1997 were rare. They did end up getting an new van and house and corporations giving them lots of baby stuff and college money and they were the focus of lots of news shows and got media attention.

It really seems like some people saw that as some kind of a gravy train. That stuff happened because it was such a rarity. It wasn't an invitation to crank out multiples. Maybe I just didn't pay attention before, but after the septuplets, it seemed like all over the world records started being broken IVF-wise. There were other octos but media attention faded when some of them died, but Nadya's lived so now she's the top breeder.What about that Spanish lady who forged a birth certificate and came to the USA for IVF and gave birth at age 66? She just died and her twins aren't even 3! She said her parents lived to 101, so she thought it was OK to have a baby. Now there are twin boys with no family.

Like the Careys say, sometimes you put in a lot of embryos in the hopes that one will take. These shows and the fanfare and fame involved are encouraging people to put themselves and their babies in danger! Babies aren't supposed to be 1.5 lbs at birth and spend five months in an incubator. Chicken eggs hatch in an incubator. Babies mature in a womb. No one with multiples that high have all (mostly none) the babies born healthy with fully developed organs, breathing on their own and normal weights. They're lucky if they have one like that.

I guess that's just why I am disgusted, and yes, vivasuzi, I know I shouldn't be surprised. I know so many people feel that way, but it won't stop them from pausing to look at this newest trainwreck.

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Jo — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:45:17 GMT

Do you know Dr. Laura Schlessinger? She's ultra-conservative and a bit nutty in my opinion. She was going to get a daytime TV show and it had to be cancelled because so many gay rights people flooded Procter & Gamble with threats of boycott so her major advertiser pulled out.

Oh thank goodness. It's interesting. I am on our No Place for Hate Committee in my town. We are having Diversity Day in September. There is a group here - the 12 Tribes- they're all over the world who seem at first glance to be really cool people living communally with a fantastic store and furniture they make themselves. Several years back when they first came to town I went in and read there literature. Women are subservient and the beat there kids. Ok so eventually (I wouldn't do business with them but told everyone I knew) they agreed to a Town Meeting because 2 of the kids who left talked to the press about being locked in the basement for 2 weeks, etc. etc. As it turns out they homeschool their kids with no curriculum. I am sure that has changed because the Superintendant of Schools was there but at the time they admitted to that. It doesn't matter to them because the kids don't leave - some do like any other group. In any case someone mentioned that they should be included in Diversity Day. First of all we decided not to include religions - just ethnicities and second of all they beat their kids. Then I felt badly that here I am on this committee and I wasn't being sensitive. I talked with a friend who agreed with me and we also agreed that we wouldn't let the KKK come to Diversity Day so it is ok to decide that people who do what most see as bad aren't included. Whew!! Jo

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pitcherday — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:53:17 GMT

Yes, I have learned, but some small part of me still wants to believe that Americans will reject exploitative crap like that, and in my head even boycott the advertisers! I know it won't happen, but hope springs eternal. Do you know Dr. Laura Schlessinger? She's ultra-conservative and a bit nutty in my opinion. She was going to get a daytime TV show and it had to be cancelled because so many gay rights people flooded Procter & Gamble with threats of boycott so her major advertiser pulled out.

I wish if people would do something so drastic to have someone's opinion kept off the TV that they would also come to the rescue of some poor children that have suffered enough. I know it won't happen, but I am still rooting for the 14 underdogs here.

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DUISparky — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:32:39 GMT

"Must See TV" at its finest. :rolleyes:

Another reason why I hardly ever turn mine on.

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vivasuzi — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:07:43 GMT

Pitcherday, haven't you learned? America is based on the fact that selfish and unstable people get reality shows! I bet nadia was planning this from DAY 1! She's obviously a media hog, just like Kate. I refuse to watch both shows and hope that their viewing audience eventually dwindles so they get taken off the air.

The sad truth is, even people who HATE nadia and kate will watch their shows just so they can find more reason to hate them. In the end, the show doesn't care if the viewers are lovers are haters, as long as they are watching.

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AnnaBanana — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:19:04 GMT

pitcherday said…

I think if we use the whole tired "Jon & Kate plus 8" model we can be assured that they will be exploited by reality TV. Those kids were filmed 45 weeks per year! Before the big break-up, it was speculated that the show would be investigated for violations of child-labor laws due to the rigorous schedule. Kate said the kids would do the show as long as "they wanted." If octo-lady is being filmed by some European outlet, I don't know what their guidelines will be. I think giving Nadya Suleman her own reality show basically rewarding her for strange,irresponsible,selfish, whatever word you want to insert - behavior is abhorrent. See, if you just hang on long enough, you CAN get what you want!

And shame on anyone who watches it. You'd better not be the ones complaining.

I don't watch Jon & Kate and have no intention of watching this other debacle either. I gave up complaining about this gal a long time ago -- it's useless and she's useless.

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pitcherday — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:31:39 GMT

I think if we use the whole tired "Jon & Kate plus 8" model we can be assured that they will be exploited by reality TV. Those kids were filmed 45 weeks per year! Before the big break-up, it was speculated that the show would be investigated for violations of child-labor laws due to the rigorous schedule. Kate said the kids would do the show as long as "they wanted." If octo-lady is being filmed by some European outlet, I don't know what their guidelines will be. I think giving Nadya Suleman her own reality show basically rewarding her for strange,irresponsible,selfish, whatever word you want to insert - behavior is abhorrent. See, if you just hang on long enough, you CAN get what you want!

And shame on anyone who watches it. You'd better not be the ones complaining.

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vivasuzi — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:03:32 GMT

However much she earns, it is way more than she deserves!

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Meowmom — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:41:00 GMT

Just learned some news today--a judge appointed a lawyer to oversee the funds of the octuplets; wanting to ensure that they are not exploited by reality TV [slated to start filming her & the 14 kids on Sept 1--by an European production company--- reportedly the children would earn nearly $ 250,000 over a 3 yr period of filming] or from tabloid photos, etc. The mom has a separate contract --but no disclosure of how much she will earn. The children's contracts are awaiting a judge's approval.

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vivasuzi — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:36:39 GMT

Yeah Beauticontrolpw, I agree. And I hope the dr gets in big trouble for this and I hope they make stricter laws because of this. We'll see!!

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Beauticontrolpw — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:16:27 GMT

The only reason people get away with this sort of living is we, the people ENABLE IT. We vote for the jerk that allows it, we support it, we look the other way. We let judges rule for them , not against them. Just like we allow Mcdonalds to get sued because they had hot coffee,and someone burned themselves with it. News flash, hot coffee, is um---HOT!

Newsflash---people that cannot pay for children shouldn't be getting fertility treatment.

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vivasuzi — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:54:41 GMT

Patty you just about summed up all 4 pages of what we have discussed. As you can guess - I totally agree with you on every single point! The surgery thing is the icing on the cake b/c to me that shows she has issues. Anyone who is OBSESSED with looking like someone else needs help for sure.

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AnnaBanana — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:57:26 GMT

You're right, Patty, and here's the really sad part -- there are childless couples out there who have been waiting for months and maybe even years for a child and each one of these babies would be treasured by somebody who would be thrilled to have just one of these kids! It's a shame but she will probably never officially give them up whether she can take care of them or not.

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PattyTherre — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:16:00 GMT

I'm late to this discussion but have followed the "Octomom" from the start. So.. she's obsessed with looking like Angelina Jolie and has had several surgical procedures to look like her. (I saw the before and after pics and she definitely had a bunch of cosmetic surgery.) She had all six kids via IVF and now the octuplets that way. She is broke, living off of the government, in her mother's home that has 2 or 3 bedrooms and her mother is way behind in her mortgage payments and faces foreclosure.

The cops have been called eight times BEFORE she was pregnant with the "litter" and child welfare services have been there a number of times.

She is poor yet she has a personal nanny, shops all the time, and doesn't seem to EVER be with her kids at home nor the ones in the hospital much.

The largest babies may be ready to go home in a week. The hospital may NOT allow them to go home with her because she may be out on the street soon and doesn't have the room and such to care for preemies. I would really hope that someone steps in and decides that those little babies should NOT go to Octomom but to a couple with the means and the mental capacity to care for them. Even if Octomom sells her birth video for a million dollars (which is what she is asking for it. Lord knows who would want to watch it.), that doesn't make her stable. I saw her on Dr. Phil and she was a nutcase.

Speaking of which, the "father/donor" on the birth certificates puts down the wrong birth date each time. It changes every time. What is up with that? He doesn't know his own birth date?

I am appalled by it all and eight babies are going to affected by this as well as six young children. What a shame.

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vivasuzi — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:33:54 GMT

That is a dumb philosophy that adoption centers seem to be doing. So what if a kid was born to a Jewish family - the Jewish family gave him up! So whatever family wants to take them and raise them catholic or protestant, why should it matter? The fact that the family loves them should be enough. Obviously if you adopt a kid of a completely different race - the kid is going to KNOW he is adopted, but that's not reason enough NOT to give them a loving home.

Maybe more parents should call themselves foster parents and then they will be able to have kids to raise :(

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AnnaBanana — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:58:49 GMT

I think a lot of well-meaning people do realize that there are a lot of children who need homes in this country but I think it is understandable that most couples want to start out with a baby or a young child. Adoption agencies seem to set much higher standards for what it takes to be a parent than Nature does so it's very difficult to come up to their standards. Factor in all the agencies who think it would be terrible for a white couple to adopt a black child because it would be unfair to the child, and that cuts down the possibilities too. Some well-meaning agencies seem to think that children should be matched only with parents of their own ethnic or racial groups which means that a lot of children have missed out on what might have been good homes. Add in all the people who can't really take care of their own kids but who refuse to sign adoption papers to give them up officially, and you can see why so many children are doomed to the twilight zone of foster care and not officially belonging anywhere. I have known people who adopted children from other countries and it was a difficult, expensive and sometimes heartbreaking procedure. If they could, they would have rather adopted a child from this country.

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cmohr80 — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:07:41 GMT

I agree with you, too. People don't realize what a problem with the amount of foster kids in the US.

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vivasuzi — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:28:29 GMT

"I think those kids ought to go to families who can care for them without public assistance."

I totally agree. I'm glad the hospital won't let them out yet.

I also agree about the adoption laws. I hear many stories of people going overseas to adopt because it's easier to get a kid! That's freaking ridiculous that it is that hard for good people to get a kid

I do wish famous people would try harder to adopt at home because they have the money and the means to care for them, but many times famous people will go overseas and it's just not fair to the children in the US :(

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cmohr80 — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:15:52 GMT

I completely understand her being a pro-lifer and not wanting the embryos destroyed. She could have donated/sold them. She would have made the $$ to take care of her other kids and then some.

It's stories like hers and others that confirm my belief in pro-choice. I respect pro-life stances and I understand their position. I couldn't abort, myself. But I who am I to tell other women what to do with their bodies and what to do with their lives, because whether you keep or adopt out the baby, your life changes forever. It might be good for most, it might be bad for others. In the situations of rape, how could a group demand that a woman birth a child from a man who assaulted her? Whether she were to keep the child or not, how could she get over that assault with this constant reminder of it?

In the case of Nayda, she's raising these kids with no financial means and challenges in being raise when you're competing for needs with 13 other siblings. They're in trouble from the start. I'm not trying to compare the quality of life, but how are they even so much as get the basic needs met?

More than 100K children are in foster care because their birth parents gave them up and there's not enough people who can adopt them. The foster care system is broken because there is so much red tape with regulations that there are many people who want to be parents, but don't qualify according to the child welfare standards, which is understandable, but then many of these kids are sexually abused by their foster caregivers! On top of all of that, many of them are booted out of the system when the turn 18 (adult) with no health care, no higher education, no home, no income and no aid of any kind and they're stuck living on the streets!

With so many endangerments to the unwanted kids and uncared for kids, why make so many restrictions?

Everyone should be counselled on their choices, but why take away choices when there are cases like I've mentioned?

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cmohr80 — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:52:28 GMT

Oh, Dr.Phil did give her a reality check, but in his speech to the audience at the end, he said it should be about the babies.

My thing, though, is that I do feel sympathy for the babies, it's the mother that has problems. My honest opinion is that, rather than help the mom to care for those kids, because she abused the system and her mom/dad to begin with, I think those kids ought to go to families who can care for them without public assistance. My reason being, she may not have been analyzed, but I'm convinced she's nt stable enough to take care of them, her mother is broke and too tired to raise them, her dad can't financially do it, she doesn't have a job, hasn't finished school yet, abused welfare, disability and her student financial aid, rationalized her stupid choices with excuses and she has no concept of reality.

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mindyvol — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:18:25 GMT

I totally agree with lilsquibb about the reasons why the donor is suddenly taking interest in all of these kids. Supposedly, he is a good friend of Nadya's who knew that he was only going to be a doner, not a father to these kids. Now he's seeing $ signs, just like Nadya's father. Her father even tried to make a joke on Oprah about sending him money. That's the world that we live in now. Everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame and the fortune that they expect to go with it.

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lilsquibb — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:58:00 GMT

I would guess that's what the baby daddy is now in it for too. He's only ever been the donor (she even checked to make sure that he wasn't going to have any legal responsibility) and now wants something to do with them.

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Jo — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:31:54 GMT

Dr. Phil says it is all about the babies. Dr. Oz called her "selfishly indulgant" and I think the grandfather is in it for the money ie. book.

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vivasuzi — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 02:50:34 GMT

I'm surprised about Dr. Phil. Usually he is in people's faces and telling them what they did wrong, but the way you said he seems to be trying to get the public to sympathize with her is different! All I know is she's not that dumb to not know what money she's getting for nothing....

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cmohr80 — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 01:30:09 GMT

She was on Dr. Phil now. I didn't watch it's entirety cause it started yesterday but I saw most of today's. It appears the way she was talking that she is irrational. She admits what she did was wrong, but (in her words) "it's the past. She has to focus on her babies now." The babies aren't allowed home because home is not suitable living conditions for the premies. She appeared to be constantly trying to rationalize her immature choices. Dr. Phil said he hopes the interview helps the public be more understanding of her situation. For me, it ust made me more angry that she seems to be "acting dumb" when it comes to not understanding what tax help was given to her.

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wildcatkatie — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:41:54 GMT

madgolfer said…
These eight will be in the news the rest of their lives. Someone is probably trying for nine right now! I always wanted seven, but fourteen... G*d help her :)

I dunno... what about the septuplets back in the late 90s? I haven't heard of them! Last I heard, one of them had died... very sad. But that could be a rumor. I think this will phase out eventually. All gossip/drama does.

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vivasuzi — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:30:00 GMT

Good i am glad to hear that! Right now they are better off in the hospital!!

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krislynn — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:20:21 GMT

I was thinking that today ~ those babies probably know and trust the hospital staff/nurses better than the mom. They said on FOX News today that the hospital admin is not going to release the babies into Nadya's care. There is something new coming out everyday about this case.

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vivasuzi — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:19:42 GMT

I didn't realize they are still in the hospital, that is even worse! My cousin was in the hospital for awhile after being born and my uncle and/or aunt were there constantly. So now the hospital staff is probably the only people they see on most days.

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krislynn — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:53:30 GMT

I agree Suzi. She is always out shopping and do this and do that. Most mothers would be home caring for their babies and trying to rest between all the feedings and changing of the diapers.... Having multiple babies I would imagine she is still sore at this time. I know just having one baby you are. I think the 8 babies are still in the hospital. If it was me, I would divide my time between seeing the babies at the hospital and at home caring for my other 6 children. Now, I would never do what she has done. I really feel sorry for all 14 children. She has no husband and it sounds like her mother is at her wits end.

I was watching the news yesterday and the supposedly father is wanting a paternity test done. He even said if the babies are not his, he would still care for them. What a guy!!!

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vivasuzi — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:12:48 GMT

Cmohr they have a lot of spinning going on there. Personally I can't see how she can be considered a good caring mother when almost daily she is caught on camera outside of her house with not a kid in sight. Most mothers spend the first month with their kids (maternity leave and such) and my friends that had baby hardly left the house when their kids were first born - let alone going shopping and on interviews everyday.

Honestly if she wants to prove she cares for the kids, how about staying home with them for once?

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cmohr80 — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:24:18 GMT

Oprah wrap up:
Nadya's father loves his grandchildren, but even he thinks his daughter had a lack of better judgement. He wonders if his daughter is mentally unstable. He didn't know Food Stamps are Welfare. While he will do what he can to help, he does want his daughter and those babies to be left alone because regardless of the circumstances, it is what it is now and those babies shouldn't suffer for the mother's carelessness. He states that Nadya is a good mother to those kids, care-wise. He does think that the doctor is responsible for the choice to talk Nadya into implanting that many embryos. So does Dr. Oz who weighed in stating that this was "a failure in professionalism" with regards to the doctor. Nadya has strong beliefs in Pro-life from the moment of conception and thus wanted to use what she had cause she did not want those embryos destroyed.Skype users weigh in: While this was irresponsible on the parts of many, those babies and her other 6 children are innocent and should not suffer for the choices of their mother. Whom we should be holding accountable is the doctor and the welfare system. We should be requesting welfare system reform.

I might have accidently left some other points made in the show out, so if anyone else watched, please feel free to fill in the blanks.

Personally, I don't understand why, if she was so concerned about the embryos being destroyed, why didn't she sell them? She would have made $$ to take care of the other 6.

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vivasuzi — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:44:31 GMT

So what happened on the show for those of us who didnt see it?

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cmohr80 — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:53:30 GMT

Nadya (Octomommy)'s father is going to be on Oprah which starts in a few minutes on the west coast. FYI . . .

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cmohr80 — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:08:09 GMT

Dang-gone, that's a good comment!

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vivasuzi — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:35:57 GMT

I do think of the babies... I think of the babies being taken away and given to loving families who aren't going to spend every waking hour begging for donations, going on interviews, and shopping with tax-payers money.

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Jo — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:14:01 GMT

You got it!! as for me and others I don't think this has anything to do with being a sahm. Why couldn't she adopt kids? I still think 14 is nuts but even being a foster parent would/should fill her void and if she's as nice a person as she seems to think she is then those kids would be lucky. Well it's over and done with now we really do have to think of those babies. Jo

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vivasuzi — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:06:00 GMT

Great comments! I heard the last donation site got shut down because she got death threats.... I bet this one will be shut down eventually too.

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vivasuzi — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:05:57 GMT

Great comments! I heard the last donation site got shut down because she got death threats.... I bet this one will be shut down eventually too.

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DUISparky — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 04:59:25 GMT

My contribution to Psycho-Octo-Mommy.......

"6 young kids, no job, living on welfare and disability, and you have the nerve to ask for help because you're so selfish you had to have 8 more kids you can't afford to raise? If you were independently wealthy then I would have no problem with your grotesque quest for fame through in-vitro fertilization, but for an out of work person to foist this kind of burden on taxpayers who are already struggling to make ends meet and keep their homes, plus put your hand out for more contributions to your egocentristic quest? I'm sorry. I've already been paying for your food and your 6 elder childrens' food. I'm not going to take on another 8 at this time. I have my own family to feed, clothe, house, and care for and that's hard enough for a working stiff like me. Must be nice to live off the fat of the taxpayers' hog while doing absolutely nothing."

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krislynn — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 03:37:18 GMT

You go girl!!!!!

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cmohr80 — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:44:15 GMT

Thanks, lilsquibb and vivasuzi.

I actually did submitted a comment to that site, with a little addition to the comment. Here's what I submitted:
My husband and I already unknowingly donated to this family when we paid our HARD EARNED tax dollars for how many years now when Nadya chose to have that many kids and is obviously very clever about working them system, now you're adding this skeem!?! If the woman can't financially nor physically handle taking care of her litters, then perhaps it's time to consider some intevention where those poor babies, including the 6 under 7 years old, go to adopting parents who CAN AFFORD TO RAISE THEM WITHOUT GOVERNMENT/PUBLIC ASSISTANCE! I'm already angered that she's living off of a portion of our (the blue collar nation's) income and am already in the process of complaining to the welfare office about this! Get your A@! OFF THE COUCH, USE PART OF THAT ASSISTANCE TO PUT YOUR KIDS IN DAY CARE AND GET YOUR A@! A JOB!!!

Thanks for the verbage help from many of you in this discussion!

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vivasuzi — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:53:06 GMT

Everyone should leave a comment, they have a link for it, and just say

"I already donated when I paid my taxes"

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DUISparky — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:07:42 GMT

Welcome to the modern American society of entitlement, where the world owes you a living just because you are, and you can do anything you want with no consequences.

*Raises bottle of ale* Cheers and have a nice day.

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lilsquibb — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:51:30 GMT

Alright... ready for a little more fuel to the fire? A PR firm has now set up a website for her that is asking for donations.

http://thenadyasulemanfamily.com/

At least the kids are cute.

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lilsquibb — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:59:04 GMT

vivasuzi said…
Are you guys ready to barf? Read this:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/19/octomom-house-million-dollar/

I've heard something about an agency called Angel House offering up a house for them as well as education and support to assist her with everything. Could this actually be the same thing? Don't know about that yet.

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JovialCougar — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:14:32 GMT

That' an eye-opener Suzi. I heard from other media reports that the house they are living in now is heading toward foreclosure. I'm afraid this is all going to end badly.

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vivasuzi — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:28:02 GMT

Are you guys ready to barf? Read this:

http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/19/octomom-house-million-dollar/

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AnnaBanana — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:13:05 GMT

You know what they say: BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!

Obviously, this gal has not been paying attention to her fortune cookies or she would have known that!

MAY YOU LIVE IN INTERESTING TIMES may also be relevant here because I would assume that anyone who has 14 kids under the age of eight is going to have plenty to think about!

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TunefulGal — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:54:11 GMT

     1)   As per Jo, some (hopefully loving) foster folks may eventually scoop up one or more of these kids further down the road. I can't imagine Mom playing the system and actually winning this one.
     2)   Will someone(s) enlighten me on two things I may have missed? Where did that delicious term "Octomummy" originate? And... has this prolific young mother had any fertility intervention (tubes tied, for example)? My heart sinks when I think she may be up for more kids.
     3)   In the meantime Octomummy's generating just what I believe she so desperately needs.
     A-t-t-e-n-t-i-o-n.

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cmohr80 — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:55:12 GMT

I see and figured that. I just didn't want others who might be hopping in to read to get the wrong ideas.

I also think that any tride and true stay at home mom, doesn't make it sound so glamorous (like Octumom does) to be one because a true stay at home mom, knows how challenging the job is!

And what these women don't understand is that Angela Jolie has MADE THE INCOME TO AFFORD RAISING AS MANY KIDS SHE HAS!

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cmohr80 — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:51:31 GMT

I understand and agree with that!

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Jo — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:55:53 GMT

I agree, Anna, and those kids would be scooped up in a second by a loving parent or parents who could give him or her the attention she'll need!

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AnnaBanana — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:22:35 GMT

I'm sorry for any misunderstanding I may have caused -- I am not being sarcastic when I say that I am humbled by the hard-working "stay at home" Moms I know. The difference is that most of the s.a.h. Moms I know didn't have 14 kids in an attempt to be like Angelina Jolie and then sat back and expected their mother and a fleet of other people to take over. What I resent about the Octumommy is that she made it seem like not working and staying home automatically made her a better mother somehow than other women who leave their kids during the day and go out to a job. One's life style doesn't automatically make one better than someone else. I think it is time that Octumommy stopped congratulating herself.

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Ikesma — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:44:15 GMT

Actually, the doctor is not REQUIRED to do anything.

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lilsquibb — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:40:44 GMT

cmohr80 said…
Now wait a minute, let's not knock stay at home moms. It's no day in the park. . . I'm lucky enough to be a one, (I say lucky, because I can relate to those moms out there who would love to be at home, but financially can't and single moms out there who can't and I have sympathy and admiration for them.) . . .but that's because I have a little one and my hubby brings home income and I make ends meet with my home-based online art businesses.
Octomom is just plain irresponible because without a dad bringing income, she should be working to pay for those kids' expenses, but choses not to, even though she's broke! There's a big difference!
Anyone want to petition her welfare benefits be taken away, since we're all paying for it? ;oP

That actually brings up a very good point. I would guess that she isn't actually getting what most would consider "welfare" (Family Independence Payments or cash assistance) as the legislation mandates that FIP recipients being working in order to receive benifits. She is however recieving whatever other benifits she can as well as relying on donations of others and milking this publicity which to me is wrong.

What Suzi say is what I believe as well. If you're not making ends meet and you're not working... you need to be. I know many people who claim the same I'm doing it for my kids, but can't make their rent payments, when they could be making it work with a part time or in-home means of income. The system has bred this take care of me attitude.

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vivasuzi — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:20:20 GMT

Cmohr, we weren't knocking stay at home moms. We were just knocking Octo Mom b/c the way she said she is staying at home as if she is so much better than working mothers. As anna quoted, she said

"I'm putting my life on hold and staying home to be with my children! How many parents do THAT?"

So it sounds like Octo mom thinks she is an angel in heaven giving up work and money for her kids! Sounds like a bunch of crap to me. I'm sure you are a way better mom :) We aren't knocking stay at hom moms, we are only knocking selfish dumb ones who act like they are so great for "staying at home" and at the same time managing interview after interview all over the country...

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cmohr80 — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:27:55 GMT

Now wait a minute, let's not knock stay at home moms. It's no day in the park. . . I'm lucky enough to be a one, (I say lucky, because I can relate to those moms out there who would love to be at home, but financially can't and single moms out there who can't and I have sympathy and admiration for them.) . . .but that's because I have a little one and my hubby brings home income and I make ends meet with my home-based online art businesses.

Octomom is just plain irresponible because without a dad bringing income, she should be working to pay for those kids' expenses, but choses not to, even though she's broke! There's a big difference!

Anyone want to petition her welfare benefits be taken away, since we're all paying for it? ;oP

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vivasuzi — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:17:23 GMT

Exactly AnnaBanana, every woman in the world would probably stay at home with their kids if they could afford it.

The fact that she even HAS a publicity firm makes me sick and shows she is not in this for the kids but in it for the pbulicity and the hope of money :P She sucks

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AnnaBanana — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:41:23 GMT

What gets me is when she says proudly: "I'm putting my life on hold and staying home to be with my children! How many parents do THAT?" It annoys me because I worked for years with women who had children and I remember how difficult it was for them sometimes to leave the kids in the morning and come in to work hard all day, especially when they were just finishing up maternity leave and had really bonded to their baby. Those women I knew would have loved to be able to put earning a living on hold for a while to stay home and devote themselves to their kids but they couldn't, partly because someone has to pay taxes to support people like OctuMommy. Death threats (which SUPPOSEDLY she is getting) are out of line but I can see why she has upset so many people. Her new publicity firm (the other one quit already) should start off by taping this gal's mouth shut or having a serious discussion with their client about what to say in interviews!

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rgherherr — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:07:20 GMT

and i dont think she should get any welfare !!! take the kids from her now !!!!!

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rgherherr — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:05:51 GMT

she aght to be sent to jail and kids should be taken from her for child abuse,she abuses kids by haveing them...mabee she should get a real job...i dont like people like her....that is why i get half my check every 2 weeks when i get paid.because people like her.... i work hard and get nothing...she dosnt even work, thats bull that people would do such things...she dont care about the kids obviously...she wouldnt have them while haveing nothing if she did....i mean look at the state of the economy right now.....that would be like jewish people that intentionally tryed to get pregnant back in the ghetto.....its sick and careless..she should go to jail !!!

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cmohr80 — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:58:48 GMT

I think the cut off in CA for welfare is supposed to be at 4, last I heard.

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Jo — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:28:40 GMT

I think she is a nut case as well. JO AN ONLY CHILD! who chose to have 2 children

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mar53 — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:17:49 GMT

i think the docter should pay all the bills to hospial being he knew she had all those baby then planted 8 more babys he is just as responibe as her

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lilsquibb — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 03:28:48 GMT

AprilTaylor89 said…
When I heard about this story, my sister and I were discussing it and we both came to the same conclusions. With a certain amount of kids, she can get financial assistance from the government and she's a single parent. I purposelly think she did it on purpose and that she knew she would get the help she needs, she says she doesn't want a "father" around for the kids because she thinks "she'll be enough" what kind of people would give this woman fertility to drugs to have more fatherless children? Without more than one parent around to share the intimate time with the children, they'll get put to the side. She doesn't care about these children, just what they can do for her. She's gotten more publicity and getting the "celebrity" treatment just because of these children. This woman should be stopped.

I'm not sure how it is in California but I do know that most welfare systems have a cut off of 6 kids for welfare payments... i.e. they will pay a certain amount of benifit up to 6 children so she wouldn't be getting any more just because of the 8.

I do agree she is nuts though and this is just basically a sign of the morals (or lack thereof) society seems to be teaching.

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cmohr80 — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 02:42:30 GMT

A nut case and a crook!

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AnnaBanana — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:27:27 GMT

ATTAGIRL, APRIL!

I read that this gal spent $100,000 on the fertility treatments which was part of the $165,000 disability payments she got from poor old California. (ATTAGIRL, TUNEFUL!)

This lady really is a player. Get this -- she qualified for disability payments because of a legitimate injury on a job (back when she was WORKING) and then one day when she was at the doctor for treatment of this injury, she's rear-ended by somebody else out in the parking lot. And she goes ahead and gets disability for THAT too because she said that that was also a work-related disability because if she hadn't been there getting treated for the first disability, the rear-ending wouldn't have happened!!!!!

I'm telling you, there are a lot of shrewd players scattered here and there while the rest of us are just going along doing the best we can. I think this is why this lady's manipulating ways have struck such a nerve.

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AprilTaylor89 — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:04:20 GMT

When I heard about this story, my sister and I were discussing it and we both came to the same conclusions. With a certain amount of kids, she can get financial assistance from the government and she's a single parent. I purposelly think she did it on purpose and that she knew she would get the help she needs, she says she doesn't want a "father" around for the kids because she thinks "she'll be enough" what kind of people would give this woman fertility to drugs to have more fatherless children? Without more than one parent around to share the intimate time with the children, they'll get put to the side. She doesn't care about these children, just what they can do for her. She's gotten more publicity and getting the "celebrity" treatment just because of these children. This woman should be stopped.

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AnnaBanana — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:12:58 GMT

It sounds like a mean thing to say, but I'm wondering if Grandma and Grandpa are wondering if they maybe made a mistake having a kid of their own at all!

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TunefulGal — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:10:31 GMT

     Poor California. Can't pass a budget. Has no money. Now has eight more to pay for... somehow.
     The grandma who takes care of the first six kids doesn't approve of her daughter. The daughter seems to blame her mother for the fact that she's an only child.
     Is this a revenge birthing?

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eatingcookies — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:58:48 GMT

The whole thing is sicko-icko to me.

Somebody needs to be slapped.
Or somebodies.

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vivasuzi — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 04:43:23 GMT

Yes I have read many stories about him. Apparantly if people don't have insurance, he takes cash and doesn't report it. I can't find the story right now, but I believe it said his wife and him would do that together.

Here's a story from someone else who used him: http://www.momlogic.com/2009/02/i_used_octuplet_moms_ivf_docto.php

You have to wonder why this guy could have stayed in business with people saying this about him. It is likely that people did not report him when he seemed bad, but instead just found another doctor. Hopefully this story opens people's eyes to report bad behaviour and bad doctors!

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lilsquibb — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:28:56 GMT

jasyjen said…
The lady is a nut. It's so sad that these kids will have to go without things in life, because their Mom is whacked out. I can't imagine the amount of work (and money) involved with this many children. She seems to think she can just rely on others. That is so wrong.

Here's the thing though, she doesn't think that she's on Welfare. I just said Huh?? Medicaid, food stamps and SSI are all considered welfare. Yup... a nut job.

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AnnaBanana — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:15:14 GMT

They have discovered who the fertility doctor is -- Dr. Michael Kamrova -- and this guy seems to be a law among to himself and something of a "controversial figure". You know how they've been saying that the odds were highly against all the embroyos "taking"? Well, not the way this guy does it. He's such a ball of fire that now because of him ANOTHER woman who is nearly 50 years old is sitting in a hospital as I write this, waiting for the birth of QUADRUPLETS. Her difficult pregnancy and delivery is going to require two or three months hospital stay and -- you guessed it -- she doesn't have hospital insurance.

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jasyjen — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:17:59 GMT

The lady is a nut. It's so sad that these kids will have to go without things in life, because their Mom is whacked out. I can't imagine the amount of work (and money) involved with this many children. She seems to think she can just rely on others. That is so wrong.

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lilsquibb — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:08:29 GMT

BayouBengal said…
I've heard of too many cases where someone is getting money or support and they have no justifiable "need" for it. For instance, the department my husband works in is Office of Youth Corrections. There is one lady that works in couseling there, a professional, making a professional salary (more than twice MY salary) who is a single mother with children. She recently got a notice that her childcare support is being dropped. She had a fit. Now she is working a full time job and making good money. Why should the government be giving her $200 a week PER child for childcare?

At least this one situation was caught and stopped. But how many more are out there like this? Our tax money is being wasted in so many ways!

I agreee the system needs to be re-worked for sure.. but keep in mind that child support and welfare are 2 different things. Child support comes directly from the child's father (or mother in some cases) and not from the government. this issue seems more about support than welfare.

As for this 14 kids case... tax payers will be paying out more than a million dollars for these babes just in birth and hospital costs sincthey are on medicaid.

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vivasuzi — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:14:08 GMT

She did have plastic surgery but is FAR from looking like Angelina. How did she afford the surgery? How did she afford fertility? All this makes me wish we could all demand her kids be taken away and her be thrown in a hospital.

I refused to watch the dateline special she was on. I think her sweetness and maternalness is all an Act b/c she is trying to BE Angelina Jolie. She is trying to talk like Angelina, look like Angelina and pop out the kids like Angelia. The difference is - Angelina can afford it.

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AnnaBanana — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:57:07 GMT

I saw this lady on television being interviewed by a t.v. journalist. It did not make me more sympathetic to see that she really is a beautiful girl who seems to have worked very hard on her appearance. As I listened to her talk, I couldn't help but feel that there is something a little "out of kilter" about her. She is almost TOO sweet and glowing and "maternal". She almost seems to be like a great big little girl who has just been given eight dolls.

I'm glad that she has a lot of love to give but six kids should have still been enough -- if she wanted to spread the love to anybody else, she should have opened a day care center.

And yes, to be frankly catty about it, it looked to me like she had a collagen "lip job" too. My own lips weren't that smooth when I was eight years old.

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njchicaa — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:03:17 GMT

I'm sorry, but I resent the fact that she gets food stamps, disability for her kids, etc. It is not my responsibility to subsidize her bizarre need to have over a dozen children.

I also read today that the woman had plastic surgery in an attempt to look like Angelina Jolie. SICK.

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bparker — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:52:40 GMT

I think fertility clinics have been hit a terrible blow by this girl's action. Public opinion is without a doubt very negative now about this subject.

This girl and her doctor are irresponsible. These children face a future that is uncertain. It is truly sad that any child suffers in this world. These babies should be placed for adoption and this girl needs serious counselling.

Yes, I ask the same question everyone does. How on earth did this girl afford fertility treatments in Beverly Hills no less?

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TashaAnne — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:31:36 GMT

By the way, in most states the father of these children maybe responsible for all the children, there was no legal written document. So, sad for the father, RUN. This women is unstable and why isn't legal aide involved to see if she is mentally fit and why is she getting any assistance from the state. She should not be aloud to take the babies home unless social services says there is enough room and care, etc. NO ONE should give this unfit mother any donations. Please give to families who really need help, that are not using their children for money. thanks, Tasha from MN

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vivasuzi — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:43:59 GMT

That is good to hear. Big Companies must do their research and not just start giving to anyone they hear a story about.

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Meowmom — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:16:34 GMT

Our local paper reports that no big companies have stepped forward for offering
"freebies--diapers, etc"--apparently as disgusted as many of us are about this
method for attention. That the publicist would "have a big job" trying to convince us
and others for the need for help.

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cmohr80 — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:12:28 GMT

So, now, I just heard on the news that this woman has a tutor for her kids! Are WE PAYING for that TOO!?! Urg!

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vivasuzi — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 05:00:38 GMT

Wow, that is amazing. I can't believe someone who had the money would do that!

Well I just always gotta think, they will get their's in the end :)

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cmohr80 — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:59:20 GMT

I guess it's not easier to find a job, since so many people would rather scam for free money. Hey, I once met a guy who was very wealthy, owned a BMW, who told me he'd park his car down the street, and spend his days on the side of the road in dirty old clothes with a card board sign saying, "Why lie? I need a beer." He'd make 100s of dollars a day doing this, then change back into nice clothes, hop in his beemer and drive home.

Must be nice, but I couldn't in good conscience do those things. Although, it makes me so mad that we work so damned hard for our income while others play the system to steal it from us! . . . And that included those who crack the welfare system, pretend to be bums and corporate bailout bonuses! Those big wigs need bailed out, as much as I need a swift kick in the ars!

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vivasuzi — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:58:41 GMT

Go for it ;) Let me know if you learn anything! I'm always curious how people know how sometimes it is the seemingly dumb people out there that know how to scam the system. It shows they could earn the money on their own if they put their mind to it rather than trying to find the next trick.

I do have to change some of my opinions though. Some of these people are NOT lazy. They work very hard at trying to scam the system! They have 8 kids to scam the system! I mean, I sometimes hear people like this talking for hours about all the things they are going to try to file for or try to do just to get some free money and I think to myself - wouldn't it be easier just to get a job?

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cmohr80 — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:54:49 GMT

LOL! Now, that'd be the part of the course I would show up for! jk ;oP If others can take a portion of our pay checks to be lazy, I wouldn't mind seeing if we can get what we (my hubby and I) paid into those taxes back to be lazy a while. Shoot, we all deserve a break!

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vivasuzi — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:23:54 GMT

Sad! And that's the thing, they KNOW they can get more being lazy, so why work? Honestly what is the incentive to work? My incentive is self-respect and pride but some people will give up their self-respect for free money.... hmmm, this is starting to remind me of the Virgin we were talking about in that other thread.

And Meowmom also, if she teaches a class... is she going to teach them how to scam the system and get money out of their kids?

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Meowmom — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:14:03 GMT

A story similar to not really trying to be self-sufficient, etc----------
An healthy young (22-23 yr old) divorced woman took an educational course. She was the mother of 3 children, who were living with the dad, as custodial parent. Due to the natue of the work she was preparing for--a physical exam was a pre- requisite--and, indeed, no health problems existed. She fully completed the short course and was qualified for work. However, after being on the job sufficiently--and drawing a 2 week check, she quit rather quickly. Although I had nothing to do with her being selected as a student, It was one of my tasks to track placement, adjustment, etc Point-blank to my face, she said "some of my money was taken for child-support, I can make more money by sitting on my A--, than working!!"

Back to the mom of 14--our local paper reported that at some future time, she wanted to
present a "parenting class or some type of instruction to parents". WOW

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vivasuzi — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:14:19 GMT

Is this the same woman we are talking about? If she starts showing up on TV and Book Deals I'm going to BARF. You know the PR rep will spin it to make her seem like the nicest most wholesome person, and people will buy into it.... this is why a lot of American's need a slap in the face.

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vivasuzi — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:10:23 GMT

Cmohr I think that is a lot of what bugs me to - when they have the NERVE to complain about something after they've done nothing for such a long time. I know some that sat on their butts day after day, night after night, barely even taking care of their kids - they would whine that they can't afford the movies, or that they need a vacation, or that something in their life isn't perfect. Well get off your butt and get a job! I know it's hard being a single mom, but I also know DOZENS and DOZENS who have done it on their own. I had one CW who had 2 kids, worked her butt off full time and managed to pay her and their way and have some money left over for fun and going out, etc.

I think welfare should be reserved for those who truly cannot make it on their own, or have a major hardship and even then there should be a lofty review process and even then it should be temporary. It should come with stipulations like "we give you x dollars for day care and you must get a job within 1 month" stuff like that. You know those surprise visits they do for to make sure people are really married ... that's the same thing they should do for those on welfare. Random checks to make sure they really need it! And if they see that they purchased a brand new cell phone that is better than mine, or a plasma tv, then they should take it away.

I've had people try to make me feel guilty for having enough savings to go on vacation twice a year. Little do they realize that our vacations are so cheap compared to a lot of my friends! We spend a whole lot less than other people I know. I've learned that I can't feel guilty though - we work hard (online and in real life) to EARN our vacation. Next time this one girl says to me "must be nice to go on vacation", I already planned my response - "yes it is nice to work hard all year and earn money for a short break".

Sorry for all the ranting :) I just think that if America wants to stimulate the economy and add jobs, they might want to start by taking care of the lazy!

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JovialCougar — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:30:37 GMT

Here's an interesting news story.

TV, book offers pour in for mother of octuplets

Associated Press

LOS ANGELES - The mother of the world's longest-living octuplets is being deluged with offers for book deals, TV shows and other business proposals, but has not decided what she might do other than care for her children, her newly hired spokeswoman said Monday.

Hundreds of requests have been made since Nadya Suleman gave birth to six boys and two girls a week ago, said Joann Killeen, president of Killeen Furtney Group, a public relations company. "She's the most sought after mom in the world right now,"

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cmohr80 — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:25:16 GMT

The welfare system is really messed up. I use to live in an apartment above a family of INDOOR smokers! They were grandparents with 3 grand kids that both had enough health problems to be fully on disablility, plus collecting welfare for those kids. The wife had infezema that caused her to take an ambulence to the hospital regularly and they'd both STILL SMOKE! It made me so mad that my taxes were paying for their abuse of the system. They'd live off of a potion of my income and had the nerve to complain about my then toddler son walking around the house too much, while I was breathing in the second had smoke PRODUCED BY THEM! My husband NEVER smokes indoors and I was still breathing through the walls from them! They know how bad cigarettes are and have illnesses because of those smokes and still chose to smoke!?! Where's the social workers that should intervine and take their benefits away because they were, and still are from what I last saw. abusing the system!?!

I wonder if that woman would have her benefits taken away, if enough of us reported our concerns? We'd have the right to, I think.

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BayouBengal — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:33:08 GMT

I've heard of too many cases where someone is getting money or support and they have no justifiable "need" for it. For instance, the department my husband works in is Office of Youth Corrections. There is one lady that works in couseling there, a professional, making a professional salary (more than twice MY salary) who is a single mother with children. She recently got a notice that her childcare support is being dropped. She had a fit. Now she is working a full time job and making good money. Why should the government be giving her $200 a week PER child for childcare?

At least this one situation was caught and stopped. But how many more are out there like this? Our tax money is being wasted in so many ways!

vivasuzi said…
I haven't read all of this but I just gotta say.... if someone is already on welfare, using OUR taxes to pay for their kids.. If they go and have another kid, they should not be allowed to claim welfare.
Or system sucks. Regular hard working people like you and me can't get a dime of support because we "make too much money" (we all know that isn't true!) Yet losers go and have kid after kid and they get all this money for free. I know a few of these types of women, and I have zero respect for them. I knew some that even said they planned to get pregnant even though they had no house (living with parents) because they could just pick up the phone and apply for support. She had the number memorized. On the other hand, I don't even know the first step to getting welfare or any support like this.
Our system needs some kind of control to stop the abuse! I'm so tired of it.
Anyone who donates to this woman is just supporting it. If she can't afford the children and can't take care of them, they should be taken away.
(FYI: It also ticks me off when I see people on welfare filing their taxes for a refund. A refund??? The government has been giving you all this money and now you want a refund?? If anything, they should OWE the government!!)

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vivasuzi — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:16:52 GMT

I haven't read all of this but I just gotta say.... if someone is already on welfare, using OUR taxes to pay for their kids.. If they go and have another kid, they should not be allowed to claim welfare.

Or system sucks. Regular hard working people like you and me can't get a dime of support because we "make too much money" (we all know that isn't true!) Yet losers go and have kid after kid and they get all this money for free. I know a few of these types of women, and I have zero respect for them. I knew some that even said they planned to get pregnant even though they had no house (living with parents) because they could just pick up the phone and apply for support. She had the number memorized. On the other hand, I don't even know the first step to getting welfare or any support like this.

Our system needs some kind of control to stop the abuse! I'm so tired of it.

Anyone who donates to this woman is just supporting it. If she can't afford the children and can't take care of them, they should be taken away.

(FYI: It also ticks me off when I see people on welfare filing their taxes for a refund. A refund??? The government has been giving you all this money and now you want a refund?? If anything, they should OWE the government!!)

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VeeCee — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:16:44 GMT

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BayouBengal — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:58:54 GMT

It's time for the "welfare" system to be totally re-worked. There are way too many "living" off of it that can physically work for a living, but choose the "easy life" just because they can.

Take a look at how many from southern Louisiana still have no house after Katrina. They also don't have any jobs. Why? Lazy and welfare has them covered.

CyndiA said…
Her rights end where mine begin (and every other person paying taxes and the tab). Who has a right to say how many is too many - 6, 8, 12, 14? I say the personal right ends where you can't support them - period.
I love kids. I considered having another. I wasn't sure I could pay his or her way without help. End of discussion.
Our public support system (welfare) was designed (I think) to kick in during emergencies. It was not meant to be a free pass to pump out 14 babies in 7 or 8 years for someone who was already playing the system for educational support. Free tuition. Free books. Add babies and free food and . . . plus she's shopping for a TV deal like Kate and her Eight (which is also pretty sick when you look close).

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madgolfer — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:38:18 GMT

These eight will be in the news the rest of their lives. Someone is probably trying for nine right now! I always wanted seven, but fourteen... G*d help her :)

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Twinkletoes — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:34:13 GMT

I do not believe she lied to him/her. Any doctor doing fertility treatments should have done exams prior to doing them. A "good" or not so "good" OB/GYN should have been able to tell the had numerous children. Each time you have a child the uterus is stretched and never goes back to it's normal (pre-pregnancy) size. I am a nurse with 15 years high risk Labor and Delivery experience, even I could tell she had children from an exam. I believe this doctor wanted to try to do something that had not been accomplished. Maybe he/she should have to support the 8 children. Then next time he/she will use their brain. There are a lot of childless couples that would love to have a baby--here are eight that ought to be adopted out.

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Jo — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:14:43 GMT

I worked as a Social Worker for a long time for Head Start. I've seen it all. I've never seen this. I agree that it's a slippery slope (I hate that phrase) but one that needs to be looked at. When a fertility specialist says that this is a failure not a success then the medical community may just have to step in. What if she had 12 embryos implanted and they all somehow survived and all need - how much a day in hospital bills?? and special ed etc. etc. The bottom line is that I think Social Services may need to get involved because this is not in the best interest of the children. Period.

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AnnaBanana — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:30:48 GMT

Bryan-Carey said…
No, individual rights do not end when you reach the point that you cannot support your kids. This women got pregnant via IVF, but what about others who cannot financially support kids but get pregnant and have kids anyway? How would we control something like this? Force them to take birth control pills? What if they claim they are taking the pills but then get pregnant anyway? What would we do then? Fine the woman for not obeying her limited rights? If you stop someone from having more children by IVF because they cannot finacially support their children, than you have to stop others from having children through the natural means- it's only fair . And how do you propose we stop other people from conceiving? Do we outlaw sex among the young? Outlaw sex unless yoru income is above a certain level? I can just picture our crazy government officials trying to enforce laws such as these! It would be a debacle even more insane than the war on drugs, and even less successful.
This debate would, of course, eventually extend far beyond the issue of supporting children. Once you restrict rights based on financial means for supporting children, you will have opened the door to restrict rights in other areas also. Should a person with low income be prevented by law from owning property? There is, after all, a good chance he/she will not be able to pay property taxes and insurance on that property, leading to foreclosure, bailouts by the FDIC, and the use of taxpayer funds to pay for individual misdeeds. Does that mean that this right should also be restricted by law? Maybe we should also take away the right to vote unless income is at a sufficient level because, after all, those people without much income shouldn't have any say in laws that could potentially encourage them to behave in a financially reckless way. What other rights could also be restricted? The possibilities are endless, which is precisely why we can never allow our insane, unetchical, immoral government officials to enjoy power at this level. It would take time, but they would most certainly abuse this authority and use it as a means to repress others. No, everyone in government would not do this. But you wouldn't need to have every government official abusing his/her authority. It would only take a few people to push their brand of authoritarian control on any group they choose. And they would use the subject of "personal finances" to back their decisions. Add children to the mix and you have a double whammy of deception and sinister government actions. I can just hear it now: "That woman should go to prison for having sex, your honor. Her income is below $10,000 per year and she cannot support children. And I would not want to see a helpless, innocent child raised by someone so irresponsible".
If we want to criticize the welfare system that is fine. There are many cracks in the system and many valid arguments have been presented for a drastic reduction in welfare handouts and/or the requirement for welfare recipients to work in some capacity to repay some of the benefits. But to say that we should take away rights based on financial well- being is not only unconstitutional, it would lead to authoritarianism at its absolute worst. It's a direction I hope, as a nation, we never turn.

Bryan, you make a lot of good points. Here's where you and I part company.

Should a person with low income be prevented by law from owning property?

The answer to THAT is a definitive YES! Although, it would be better if this was achieved by careful, conservative lending procedures. Part of the mess we have gotten into today is due to the fact that commission-happy brokers and bankers have been handing out mortgages to poor saps who could not even dream about meeting the expenses and financial burdens of owning too much house.

I had to rent for more than 20 years before I was finally making enough and was able to afford a small condo. Then I had to produce a 20% down payment (which they required because there weren't enough owners actually living in my building at the time which created a problem regarding mortgage insurance). Even though my credit was impeccable at the time and I was working 50 hour weeks, it still took more than a month for my mortgage to be approved.

It was really difficult to get my hands on my condo, but I have often been glad the bank was as careful and conservative as they were. Better that, then to have been foreclosed on.

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Meowmom — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 05:51:50 GMT

I was not for regulating "individual" rights --voting, owning property etc. Where is
the sense in "bringing another 1, yet 8 more" --to be supported by an already overburdened welfare system ? There are more than cracks in this system. The woman already had 6 kids under the age of 7, but wanting more --sounds fertile enough to me without needing the help of any clinic. In fact with that number of children, I am amazed that a fertility clinic would really feel that its services were needed--except to benefit from the $$$. Sounds like that $$$ could really have benefited those existing children. I know the odds for 8 would be
very rare. Nevertheless, while 1 woman has her "pleasure" , think there are many folks who already have a child or so--underfed etc due to the turn of the economy but are caring, loving parents eking out a living by piecing a number of jobs together. While government help is doled out for another 8 to her, think that several needy families [4-8 different ones!] could have received help. The bottom line--there just is a finite sum of money. Should she get a similar reward next year, if she gets the whim for 4 or 5 more babies ?!!!

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Bryan-Carey — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 05:24:25 GMT

Yes, personal responsibility does come with rights and freedoms. That is why, like I said, we should be attacking the welfare system, not the individual right to have babies, buy a home, etc.

You are right, the taxpayers should not have to pay for other's mistakes. That is why, again, we should be attacking the welfare system, not individual rights. But it would be naive to think that other freedoms would not disappear if we tried to outlaw the personal choice to have several children, if that is what someone wishes. Trust me when I say that other rights would most definitely be taken away or curbed if we ever allow government officials to control how many children we have based on our ability to support them financially.

Another thing we need to realize is that the odds against a woman having eight children at once through IVF are astronomical. This was not what she, the medical professionals involved, or anyone else would have predicted. Thousands and perhaps even millions of women have gone through IVF and been implanted with eight fertilized egss and until now, no woman has ever conceived eight babies at once, which proves that it is extremely rare. It is a common practice to implant multiple eggs because, as anyone knows who has gone through this procedure, it is highly unlikely that even a small percentage will survive and eventually become newborn babies. This occurance was a freak accident of nature. Limiting the number of eggs that are implanted through IVF is not only unnecessary, it would also possibly prevent some women who want one baby from ever realizing their dream.

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LisaCarey — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 05:05:32 GMT

cmohr80 said…
It's not about regulating individual rights. I agree with you there, that would be wrong. When pregnancy happens naturally, it's one thing. When a couple who longs to have 1-4 children of their own and can't and seek help from a fertilization clinic, that's one thing. When a woman who's on welfare already and has 6 kids already, is quite another. It's the IVF doctor's/clinic's fault. The fertilization clinics need to have regulations in having more thorough evaluation methods to find out if the patient is a good candidate, not just health wise, but a visit to the home, a background check, what not. It should be done in a similar fashion that adoption evaluations are handled. They shouldn't be giving everyone coming in off the streets IVFs just to make a buck!

I am sure that no one expected that all eight of them would actually "take" after all I didn't expect that all 5 of mine would -- but the hope was that at least one. And that was the result -- just one. Also in cases of IVF and artificial insemination the incidence of miscarriage or fetal demise is 3 times higher than in a naturally occuring pregnancy. This case is so incredibly unusual! The rates of having twins are pretty high -- but all eight is like well almost impossible. Apparently she had enough money to pay for the treatment, it's my hope that will translate into enough money to take care of her children.

While I agree there is a level of responsibilty with a fertility clinic (for example at ours Bryan and I had to go through many evaluations before the treatment would begin as well as give them a copy of our marriage license) if they made too many rules about who could and couldn't have fertility treatments couldn't that also translate into discrimination? Maybe they then decide that a gay or lesbian couple shouldn't have children and refuse them treatment based on their lifestyle. That would be my worry if there were too many processes put into place.

What tough questions -- and equally tough answers.

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CyndiA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:43:32 GMT

Fine Brian. You send that womam some money or go trot one of those babies. Let me know if you do.

I am pro-choice, and when a friend (back when I was in college) got pregnant, I gave her a place to live and paid for food etc. I didn't see any church members (mostly right wing) doing the same. If they don't support abortions, they need to get off their duffs and help.

I helped. Do you? I hope so.

But, the bottom line is that personal responsibility comes with our rights and freedoms. If we didn't bail out women who pump out babies, people who buy houses they can't afford (and the banks did shell it out above what would be reasonable) and banks that take bad risks, then we would not be in the mess we are now. I don't know when "free ride" became the norm, but it's been a mistake.

The government does not have to dictate. But, they don't have to take on all the burdens of horrible decisions either. The government is "us." We pay the tab. Who decided we owed some women with no job or sense financial aid for 14 babies. I think I missed that vote, and I think she might think about it more if she really thought she had to take care of her own like most of the rest of us.

And, I did not say a thing about the right to vote or other "freedoms." The woman can vote and probably should vote Democratic as well as her brood of 14 when they hit 18. Mentally handicapped people can vote in the U.S., and they can have help, and I can tell you that means someone can get a double vote when the person voting is over 18 but on a 4 yr level and has a helper. But, so be it. Life is not always fair.

Oh no. I wouldn't deny her any rights. She can have as many babies as she wants. She can buy a house she can't afford and a car and TV on rent to own. But, she takes care of the messes she makes.

Is our system working? NO. That's pretty clear. I have a few more years to crank kids. Maybe I could see if a doc would hit me with 10 fertilized eggs, so I could go on the dole and probably get on TV too. It would be easier than working a two jobs and paying college for two kids. But, I really don't think you or the government owe me that.

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cmohr80 — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:41:56 GMT

It's not about regulating individual rights. I agree with you there, that would be wrong. When pregnancy happens naturally, it's one thing. When a couple who longs to have 1-4 children of their own and can't and seek help from a fertilization clinic, that's one thing. When a woman who's on welfare already and has 6 kids already, is quite another. It's the IVF doctor's/clinic's fault. The fertilization clinics need to have regulations in having more thorough evaluation methods to find out if the patient is a good candidate, not just health wise, but a visit to the home, a background check, what not. It should be done in a similar fashion that adoption evaluations are handled. They shouldn't be giving everyone coming in off the streets IVFs just to make a buck!

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Bryan-Carey — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:10:18 GMT

No, individual rights do not end when you reach the point that you cannot support your kids. This women got pregnant via IVF, but what about others who cannot financially support kids but get pregnant and have kids anyway? How would we control something like this? Force them to take birth control pills? What if they claim they are taking the pills but then get pregnant anyway? What would we do then? Fine the woman for not obeying her limited rights? If you stop someone from having more children by IVF because they cannot finacially support their children, than you have to stop others from having children through the natural means- it's only fair . And how do you propose we stop other people from conceiving? Do we outlaw sex among the young? Outlaw sex unless yoru income is above a certain level? I can just picture our crazy government officials trying to enforce laws such as these! It would be a debacle even more insane than the war on drugs, and even less successful.

This debate would, of course, eventually extend far beyond the issue of supporting children. Once you restrict rights based on financial means for supporting children, you will have opened the door to restrict rights in other areas also. Should a person with low income be prevented by law from owning property? There is, after all, a good chance he/she will not be able to pay property taxes and insurance on that property, leading to foreclosure, bailouts by the FDIC, and the use of taxpayer funds to pay for individual misdeeds. Does that mean that this right should also be restricted by law? Maybe we should also take away the right to vote unless income is at a sufficient level because, after all, those people without much income shouldn't have any say in laws that could potentially encourage them to behave in a financially reckless way. What other rights could also be restricted? The possibilities are endless, which is precisely why we can never allow our insane, unetchical, immoral government officials to enjoy power at this level. It would take time, but they would most certainly abuse this authority and use it as a means to repress others. No, everyone in government would not do this. But you wouldn't need to have every government official abusing his/her authority. It would only take a few people to push their brand of authoritarian control on any group they choose. And they would use the subject of "personal finances" to back their decisions. Add children to the mix and you have a double whammy of deception and sinister government actions. I can just hear it now: "That woman should go to prison for having sex, your honor. Her income is below $10,000 per year and she cannot support children. And I would not want to see a helpless, innocent child raised by someone so irresponsible".

If we want to criticize the welfare system that is fine. There are many cracks in the system and many valid arguments have been presented for a drastic reduction in welfare handouts and/or the requirement for welfare recipients to work in some capacity to repay some of the benefits. But to say that we should take away rights based on financial well- being is not only unconstitutional, it would lead to authoritarianism at its absolute worst. It's a direction I hope, as a nation, we never turn.

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AnnaBanana — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 03:57:14 GMT

I understand that the grandfather won't be working for our military in Iraq and you can bet the chat boards are jumping about THAT out there today. My understanding is that this is how desperate this family is for money, that grandpa has to go out and earn some more!

Well, I'll catch up with you guys tomorrow. Gonna eat dinner now -- I'm getting fashionably late about dining!

Bye bye to all for now!

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CyndiA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 03:46:12 GMT

The father of the baby machine momma is from Iraq. He is not going back as part of our American military (but perhaps on our military dime). He will go to translate etc. That's a needed skill. No doubt about that. But, if I had a daughter who cranked out 14 babies and pushed me into bankruptcy, then I might be glad to go anywhere other than home to a house packed wall to wall with little ones needing attention and no way to provide it with this number.

The mother of the 8 is an Americanized citizen. Legal? I think - but not sure. Her kids are definitely, since they were born here.

The grandmother (mother of the baby machine) says she's checking out, but it's doubtful. I'm sure she'd love to, but when they are your grands, it's hard. The tough love needed to have started way back. By the time that babies are involved, it's hard to walk away. The babies sure didn't ask to be brought into this world. They are the losers here.

The oct Mom needs a wake up call, but the babies didn't play a part in the stupid decision. Sadly, there's probably not much that can or will be done unless she's proved to be unfit or abusive (and that's a darn hard thing to prove in this country - even if a case where some nut cranks 14 babies in 7 yrs). And, who wants to back off enough to put infants in that sort of sitution? I doubt it's going to be Grandma who runs off, since she has been taking care of the other six. I'm sure she'd fed up, but what do you do?

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Meowmom — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 03:43:53 GMT

Well said!!   I agree, the right to have a litter ends--when one can not support, love
and properly care for them --without any and all tax-paying persons footing the tab!
Basic,and practical --shoes, clothing, and food are not small items. What about an education in the future?   Unfortunately, too often we see the next generation, do
a repeat --of what lived, seen, etc.   ?? more litters then?! Makes one wonder how she had enough $$$ for the procedure; and was $$$ the important issue to the clinic/doc--rather than if she really was an "appropriate" candidate.

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AnnaBanana — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 03:28:26 GMT

LisaCarey said…
As far as being "investigated" fertility clinics USUALLY do need quite a bit of background information as well as meeting the prospective father. Of course in this situation she was using a sperm donor and if she was vetted it probably would have shown that she had a good support system in her parents and that she was healthy. It probably also showed that she had had one successful pregnancy.
However, on the subject of fertility clinics, they like many others are in it for the numbers. I was told that IVF was the ONLY way that we could conceive -- and yes I already had two children. While I did get pregnant on IVF, we also concieved naturally - after surgery to repair damage so I could conceive. The reproductive specialist said that it was probably done that way because I was a good candidate and could help their numbers.
Actually the number of fertilized embroyos implanted is your choice. Most offices make recommendations as to how many you should implant, in my case 4 the first time and 5 the second. But they are your property and only you can make the absolute decision. The doctor is required to implant those that you decide on.
I don't know her intentions, but I do know experience in this. You either have to be crazy or really really really really want children to go through this sort of experience. It is painful and costly, emotionally, mentally and physically draining -- and when successful absolutely worth every minute and every bruise from the shots.

I think this was such a wonderful answer, Lisa, but I have been researching more about this gal on the Internet today. Apparently, there is a difference between wanting to be a parent and wanting to have babies. According to her own family, this lady craves the experience of being pregnant and giving birth.

As far as parental support is concerned, things look a little murky there. If news reports are even half correct, this gal's parents tried to talk her out of it and her own mother has gone on record as saying that she "won't be there" when this lady comes home from the hospital. The baby's grandfather is going back to Iraq to try to earn money in a military job there (so I guess HE won't be there EITHER.)

I suspect that this will be this eager mother's first run-in with really having to take care lf all the kids she has had. Speaking as someone who has never had kids at all, I am already humbled by seeing what Mommies do for one, two, or three kids much less 14.

But this lady thought she wanted all these kids and now may come the wake-up call.

What an interesting thread this was, by the way! Thanks, Jo!

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cmohr80 — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:13:19 GMT

You are so right! We are ready (have been ready a while, actually) to have a 2nd, fiscal preparedness included, and it angers me that my husband worked/s hard and I work hard at home, to make that happen when this woman is living off of all of our paid taxes when she choses to be a baby factory! It's so selfish and careless! And now she plans on being on Oprah and having a book deal!?! She'll be more infamous than famous for it. I won't buy her book, that's for sure! . . . I wonder if she's sick in the head or a narcacist!?!

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CyndiA — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:30:24 GMT

Her rights end where mine begin (and every other person paying taxes and the tab). Who has a right to say how many is too many - 6, 8, 12, 14? I say the personal right ends where you can't support them - period.

I love kids. I considered having another. I wasn't sure I could pay his or her way without help. End of discussion.

Our public support system (welfare) was designed (I think) to kick in during emergencies. It was not meant to be a free pass to pump out 14 babies in 7 or 8 years for someone who was already playing the system for educational support. Free tuition. Free books. Add babies and free food and . . . plus she's shopping for a TV deal like Kate and her Eight (which is also pretty sick when you look close).

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LisaCarey — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:56:01 GMT

As far as being "investigated" fertility clinics USUALLY do need quite a bit of background information as well as meeting the prospective father. Of course in this situation she was using a sperm donor and if she was vetted it probably would have shown that she had a good support system in her parents and that she was healthy. It probably also showed that she had had one successful pregnancy.

However, on the subject of fertility clinics, they like many others are in it for the numbers. I was told that IVF was the ONLY way that we could conceive -- and yes I already had two children. While I did get pregnant on IVF, we also concieved naturally - after surgery to repair damage so I could conceive. The reproductive specialist said that it was probably done that way because I was a good candidate and could help their numbers.

Actually the number of fertilized embroyos implanted is your choice. Most offices make recommendations as to how many you should implant, in my case 4 the first time and 5 the second. But they are your property and only you can make the absolute decision. The doctor is required to implant those that you decide on.

I don't know her intentions, but I do know experience in this. You either have to be crazy or really really really really want children to go through this sort of experience. It is painful and costly, emotionally, mentally and physically draining -- and when successful absolutely worth every minute and every bruise from the shots.

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Jo — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:21:05 GMT

Anna, I wonder if anyone (other than some doctors who believe they don't have the right to interfere) applauds this woman? Even those who due to religion and don't use birth control I think would be very careful after 6 and not only wasn't she careful she did this on purpose.

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Jo — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:18:56 GMT

Good question. We may not know these answers until she writes her book. It truly makes me ill BUT on the other hand I am pro choice. I don't want her to tell me I have to have 3 kids when I want two and I can't tell her 6 is enough. Having said that when special ed and Medicaid, etc. etc. will be given out I think "we" have the right to say 6 is enough. PS I'll have to do some research on the fertility treatment issue. I read though that she didn't go to a clinic. I know a gay couple who used a turkey baster to inseminate one of the women though somehow she had to get 8 so gosh I'm bantering and I have no idea.

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AnnaBanana — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:07:10 GMT

I'm frankly a little glad that someone else is not thrilled about this and has had the courage to speak up on this thread. I've got to tell you that it really creeped me out to see this woman and those eight babies. Back in Biology class, we were told that among the other special advantages human beings have is that we don't reproduce in LITTERS. Being able to have one or two offspring at a time is considered to be a plus for survival and a bunch of other things too. This woman had a LITTER. That might have been terrible enough even if it just happened accidentally but to think that someone might have engineered all this deliberately is unthinkable and downright unholy somehow.

They've got to watch these fertility treatments. I remember years ago reading in either the Chicago Tribune or old Daily News that a woman in Italy had gotten pregnant from fertility treatments, had carried the pregnancy to about three months and then suddenly pumped out 34 little embryos that never had a chance to survive. If someone really cares about human life, they should have cared about that.

One more thing, and then I'll stop -- some of you may remember my review about "17 Kids and Counting"? Well, I just want to go on record as saying that what I admire the Duggars for is NOT that they had 18 kids but that they seem to be taking care of them all without depending on outside help. If someone does a show called "14 and Counting" about this other woman, you can bet I'm NOT going to watch it!

Well, everybody -- have a nice Super Bowl!

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JovialCougar — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:30:29 GMT

There's a story today saying she expects to appear on Oprah and write a book about child care and her experience having 8 babies, which will generate enough publicity and money to help her pay for everything. She must have a very warped view of reality. What's scary is others will probably try to do the same thing - have lots of kids to generate sympathy and gifts from strangers and gain some fame.

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krislynn — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:03:03 GMT

I agree with both of you. I always thought fertility clinics checked you out thoroughly. I heard the physician implanted 8 embryos in this woman. They usually implant 2-3 embryos at the most. What was this doctor thinking at this time I do not know. He should lose his medical license.

I just read the following on the Internet "The woman who gave birth to octuplets conceived all of her children through in-vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said." I just do not understand why a single woman with 6 other kids would get in-vitro fertilization treatments when she didn't have the $$$$$ to raise them.

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Bryan-Carey — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:32:17 GMT

I had heard that this woman lied to the fertilitiy specialist by telling him that she didn't presently have any children. She likely knew that she would have no chance with IVF if she told the truth. Does anyone know if this is true?

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CyndiA — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:26:32 GMT

I read the story, and it's a shame it's getting any press period (more incentive to do such stupid stuff). No one has the right to bear 14 children when they don't work and can't afford them (or for any other reason in an overpopulated world). The doctor who artificially inseminated her should lose his/her license. The kids need to go to good homes - far away from nutso mom. Grandparents need to learn some tough love and stop supporting a woman who cranks out babies and nothing else plus ought to be paying their own bills and creditors instead of filing bankruptcy. The mother needs to be in a mental hospital (or jail). And, none of us should be paying for this record book stunt that required 43 doctors and nurses and goodness knows the bill in total. I don't like to be cold, but there's no excuse for having 6 kids in seven years and then cranking out 8 more at once. For starters, it's not fair to the kids. And, take it from there . . .

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cmohr80 — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:31:08 GMT

I couldn't agree with you more! I always thought that you get evaluated before getting fertility treatments. Where did she come up with the money for the treatments when she and her mother can't afford the 6 they have? And now, the local news here is asking everyone to donate strollers, cribs and carseats! I don't mean to seem insensative, but why did she get fertility treatments when she doesn't have the $$ to afford the things they're requesting donations for?

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Jo — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:59:30 GMT

So should I open this up for discussion and do the facts matter?

6 kids already under the age of 7
single parent - was married for 3 years
grandmother filed bankruptcy i.e. lack of money to care for these children?
She had fertility treatments

How about other things like quality of time with these kids, environmental issues, etc. etc. plus the money needed for special needs.