Really, that bad? Wow it was so nice when we lived there. But was really building up, like it was trying to keep up with chicago. That's how my husband and I felt. Everything just so fast. I would probably be quiet surprised now. I don't know which is the evil of the two Detroit is not so good right now. Automotive Capital, 28.5% unemployment rate, foreclosures all over the place. Our street at one time had 3 for sale, one up and left town, and one forclosed. I don't think there are 20 homes on our street. That was a scary site that summer. Better now (for our street anyhow). Thanks for the update. Oh have you ever eaten at Cheddar's? down by the Clock Tower? (I think that's where it was). I loved there Cheddar cheese soup and would love the recipe. It's probably closed by now.