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jlowe308 said…

I love a site called Warez-bb.All of the post that are submitted are by other people and you can submit too.They have a huge array of movies and music that can be gotten.You will need something like Rapidshare,now I always pay for the premium account to aid with downloading and I have seen and gotten alot of movies and music.I was able to use win war and send my music to my itunes and have seen so many movies som on cam that are actually almost perfect.I still go to the theater once in awhile but nowhere near as mucha nd can pretty much watch all new release movies free or burn them.So you may want to take a look sometime.

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To be honest, I do not like sites that offer "free movies and free music" on the Internet.  Most, if not all. of the content is pirated by people who will not think twice about taking a cell phone or digital cam into a theater and filming copyrighted material.  (In the case of music, they rip copies of CDs and then give away the mp3 files for nada on filesharing sites.)

I don't think that the "Oh, the movies are too expensive" line is moral justification for getting movies and music without compensating the creators.  Sorry, but as a guy who wants to sell a screenplay to a producer, I find such behavior to be like going into a store and placing a DVD or CD under one's bloise or shirt then running away.

jlowe308 said…

I love a site called Warez-bb.All of the post that are submitted are by other people and you can submit too.They have a huge array of movies and music that can be gotten.You will need something like Rapidshare,now I always pay for the premium account to aid with downloading and I have seen and gotten alot of movies and music.I was able to use win war and send my music to my itunes and have seen so many movies som on cam that are actually almost perfect.I still go to the theater once in awhile but nowhere near as mucha nd can pretty much watch all new release movies free or burn them.So you may want to take a look sometime.

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To be honest, I do not like sites that offer "free movies and free music" on the Internet.  Most, if not all. of the content is pirated by people who will not think twice about taking a cell phone or digital cam into a theater and filming copyrighted material.  (In the case of music, they rip copies of CDs and then give away the mp3 files for nada on filesharing sites.)

I don't think that the "Oh, the movies are too expensive" line is moral justification for getting movies and music without compensating the creators.  Sorry, but as a guy who wants to sell a screenplay to a producer, I find such behavior to be like going into a store and placing a DVD or CD under one's bloise or shirt then running away.

I can appreciate everyones views and I can respect that.Everyone has a right to feel the way that they do and I dont take things to personally.I like warez-bb myself and I dont make movies with cams in theatres and everything  there is shared files and it helps alot of people out.I dont pirate myself and if someone else does then it is on them and I cannot take any responsibility and I dont make nay money off any of my movies o my music what so ever it is all for personal useage only but for thsoe who want to get shared files it is one of the greatest out there and I hope people enjoy.

I think the point is that if you download a movie or song for free, then you are a pirate. It doesn't matter that you are using it for your own personal use and make no money off it. By getting the work for free, you are denying income to the people who created the movie/music. That is stealing.

If you like it, pay for it. Otherwise, you are a pirate.

--Bob

jlowe308 said…

I can appreciate everyones views and I can respect that.Everyone has a right to feel the way that they do and I dont take things to personally.I like warez-bb myself and I dont make movies with cams in theatres and everything  there is shared files and it helps alot of people out.I dont pirate myself and if someone else does then it is on them and I cannot take any responsibility and I dont make nay money off any of my movies o my music what so ever it is all for personal useage only but for thsoe who want to get shared files it is one of the greatest out there and I hope people enjoy.

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Again, your post ducks the issue of responsibility.  You may not be doing the actual copying of the copyrighted material, i.e. you're not taking your cell phone or camera or copying your DVDs or CDs, but you are downloading shared files that don't generate any income to the copyright holder.  That means you benefit from an illegal enterprise, and it's not simply a matter of my personal opinion, either. It's a legal issue.

Going to websites like the one you are talking about and saying how great they are is no different than getting your hands on stolen property and saying how nice it is that "So and So" got his or her hands on some stuff that "fell off a truck" and that you save money that way.

Fardreamer said… 

Going to websites like the one you are talking about and saying how great they are is no different than getting your hands on stolen property and saying how nice it is that "So and So" got his or her hands on some stuff that "fell off a truck" and that you save money that way.

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I couldn't have said it better. Stolen intellectual property is the same as physical merchandise theft. Actually the punishments for downloading songs illegally is much harsher than stealing a CD.  Here's a little piece of a story...

(CNN) -- A federal jury Thursday found a 32-year-old Minnesota woman guilty of illegally downloading music from the Internet and fined her $80,000 each -- a total of $1.9 million -- for 24 songs.

Pay the $1.29 or less... people should be paid for their talents. Its only fair.

so is using Warez-bb.org actually illegal.  I know it might not be right, but could there be any consquences for using it

Didn't you read pitcherday's post about the woman who had to pay thousands of dollars because she illegally downloaded copyrighted material?  I believe the judgement was in the $80,000.00 range, unless I read the figures wrong.

First off I would like to say this site is legal and I am not manufacturing or selling any content from this site.I am not stealing any music or movies what so ever.This is a shared file site from people who want to share their files with others.No one is selling or taking muisc from anyone.The lady on tv was taking the music,selling the music and ditributing it.I am or will not do eaither.this site has been up for years.I think if it was illegal everyone on their would be in jail or charged.I am not committing copyright infringement nor would I.File sharing is not illegal.I am not stealing anything and have not.

One might also suggest movie watching sites that charge small fee's are doing the same thing.The fee dont cover the movie so if your paying for rapsody and itunes then you yourself are guilty of paying a lesser price for downloading their music and videos.The last time i checked unlimited music for $9.99 is far less then the maker of the cd is charging for it so who all is a pirate now.Utube shows movies and videos downloading from that freebie oh my god your a pirate.Someone is pocketing off you for your net subscriptions and guess what it is illegal.The only difference in them and file shareres is your been penalized for suscribing and then going to pay more when your caught pirating.Paying for coupons online again your being pimped.So now whos the idiot.

jlowe308 said…

One might also suggest movie watching sites that charge small fee's are doing the same thing.The fee dont cover the movie so if your paying for rapsody and itunes then you yourself are guilty of paying a lesser price for downloading their music and videos.The last time i checked unlimited music for $9.99 is far less then the maker of the cd is charging for it so who all is a pirate now.Utube shows movies and videos downloading from that freebie oh my god your a pirate.Someone is pocketing off you for your net subscriptions and guess what it is illegal.The only difference in them and file shareres is your been penalized for suscribing and then going to pay more when your caught pirating.Paying for coupons online again your being pimped.So now whos the idiot.

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Unfortunately, your argument that sites that charge a fee for content, such as iTunes, is the same as piracy because the cost of digital content is lower is, simply put, bogus.  An mp3 file or a licensed download costs less because much of the price of a CD or Blu-ray/DVD disc reflects the manufacturing, printing and shipping costs.  That is the only reason the price of content available at legittimate websites is lower; the fee one pays there still goes to the original copyright holder.

As for YouTube....well, there's a lot of copyright infringement there, too.  I've seen many videos being taken down from the site or have their audio tracks silenced because the rightful owners ask the site to disable them.

To be honest, whether you use that filesharing site or not is not my business.  You obviously think that the site is legal and that it's okay to to use it, so I'm not going to tell you what you should or should not do as far as your own use of it.

I appreciate everyones oppinions.I didnt intend on my post causing so much contraversy.Filesharing is not illegal.The reason you can pay a small fee on other movie sites is because you are doing the samething but getting ripped off.File sharing is like someone has a file you may need or a code or something of that nature and they are not hackers or anything and they are willing to share it.Technically you are not stealing anything.It is someones who is willing to share it for free.

Again, you are still missing the point.

At one point, Napster, which was a "free" peer-to-peer filesharing site, was going to be shut down because of copyright infringement.  They avoided being closed down by becoming a legitimate business with fees and all that stuff.

The point here is, if you get a file from someone else for free, no matter where that other person got it, and you're not paying the site a fee, you are still getting copyrighted material without giving the creator compensation.

ok these are all great point of views and i agree that it is completely wrong to ripsomeone off and steal their material using file sharing sites, but some stuff from those sites are legal and it is hard to distinguish what has been stollen and what hasnt so if i download music from warez-bb and keep it for personal purposes am i at all commiting a crime that could be punishable for.  

cantstop said…

... so if I download music from warez-bb and keep it for personal purposes am I at all commiting a crime [for which I could be punished]?  

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Yes. If you download copyrighted material without paying for it, you could be caught and punished. There have been some serious fines for illegally downloading copyrighted music, although I don't think anyone has been imprisoned.

It's best to stick with legal pay-to-download operations, such as iTunes. And it's only fair... if you like a song enough to want to have it, you should pay its creator. That's what keeps people creative.

--Bob

Thanks for all of your oppinions and after much research I have given it up.Thanks for being so insightful and I hope this ends the discussion.

You guys are looking at this in a total disregard for what it actually is. Take for example, your girlfriend comes over and borrows your special Collectors Edition Harry Potter DVD box set. This is also peer to peer sharing.

The only thing illegal about sharing music or movies is claiming that you own it when you do not have the original. For example, downloading a DVDrip and then burning it onto a DVD. The thing with this is that it all gets lost in translation.

For eg. If I were to convert my CD collection into mp3s and put it on my laptop it is 100% legal because I own the original. Now...if my girlfriend borrows my laptop for a day, has she done anything illegal

This has been a very interesting conversation. I enjoyed reading all of the posts. I also got a chuckle. Apparently what I learned in kindergarten about sharing isn't right. Now I'll never have to share anything again! :D

On a serious note, I hated when Napster turned in to a business and charged for downloads but it makes sense. If my profession were an actor, musician, director, etc (i.e. food was going on my table every time I sold a record or movie), then I'd want my money!

I think the thing that makes it hard for some people is how much money these people make regardless of the stolen material. I bet tons of Britney Spears' stuff has been ripped off, and she's still living the high life (no drug puns intended - ha). When I use to download off of Napster I'd think to myself: "So what? Britney is only missing out on a dollar or two from me, and she has millions. What's the big deal?" The trouble is that it adds up when you have thousands upon thousands of people doing the same thing... and then there's that little thing known as the law.

I buy all of my music at iTunes, and most of my movies at Best Buy. The quality is better, and I'm not behind bars.

Ah, as creative as your argument is, it would never pass muster in a court of law, much less in the house of common sense.

Borrowing a physical set of DVDs for the express purpose of viewing them is not illegal, true.  And making a copy of your CDs is legal as long as you are simply backing them up for personal use.

We know, however, that file sharing is not the same thing.  If you copy a song from the latest CD album and take it to Warez-BB and share it there, you are not keeping your end of the social contract that you made when you bought the aforementioned album.

Your girlfiend, by the way, has not done anything illegal by borrowing your laptop for a day and listening to your albums.  However, if she then uses your laptop or a thumb drive to disseminate the files within the hard drive, then she is.

First of all, it takes a while for a songwriter and/or recording artist to get a royalty.

"Payments of royalties from sales to the recording artists do not start until the record company has recouped all the expenses they incurred for making, promoting and marketing the record. Recoupable expenses can include the costs of recording, producing, mastering, manufacturing, promoting and marketing the record, tour support, video production and any other related expenses the label includes as part of the recording contract.

It is quite common for a recording artist to never receive royalties from sales (unless, of course, their record is a huge hit) due to the way royalties from sales are structured and the high costs for the record label of getting a new record to market." (that's from knowthemusicbiz.com)

It's really complex. Distributing a Britney Spears hit song 100,000 times illegally doesn't just take money away from Ms. Spears. You take a huge chunk away from the record company (only like 10 cents are royalty for the most part). Now they can't gamble on a no-name artist they may lose money on promoting. Their profits are being siphoned away by "file sharing" sites.

It's VERY wrong to assume that only the songwriters or members of a band are affected by illegally downloading music. Maybe you'll never hear Joe Nobody from Backwoods, Kentucky with the great talent ever because you killed the golden goose.